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Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:31 am
by Kibayasu
It was already hard to take Geldoblame seriously with that getup. It was even harder to take everything seriously after learning that He Bo etc was literally just the first two letters of general body parts. Then the moobs appeared.

But I guess that was only a side story anyways. As long as it doesn't take the cowards way out and redeem before the end.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:35 pm
by Artix
Part 30: Mintaka Imperial Fortress

This video is an...intermission of sorts. Before we move on with Part 2 of the game proper, we need to re-establish a few things, most notably our new protagonist.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:23 pm
by Kibayasu
Those 8 guards in the throne room? Vital for the continual functioning of the government.

Also for a world facing an army of demons and the impending apocalypse that city was remarkably calm. Nothing gets in the way of a good festival there.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:28 pm
by Artix
Kibayasu wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:23 pm
Also for a world facing an army of demons and the impending apocalypse that city was remarkably calm. Nothing gets in the way of a good festival there.
I mean, that was also the case back when the Empire was the big threat of the day too. Remember how they were like "Nah, we got a big magical shield, we're just gonna throw a big party instead"?

Part 31: Interdimensional Cracks (Part 1)

Anyway, it's time to get the gang back together. Melodia was courteous enough to put everyone in these nice, easy-to-locate individual prisons, so we might as well take her up on the offer.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:27 pm
by Commander Keene
You could say that keeping everyone secured in their own individual cells in different locations has its own benefits and drawbacks, really. It makes it harder for an internal escape, and in the event of a single escape you don't have as much risk of everybody getting free. On the other hand, you have to split your resources, so an outside rescue attempt becomes more feasible, as we've seen.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:19 am
by Kibayasu
The real security problem is when you leave vague hints at how to unlock the door you don't want unlocked around for anyone to find.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:17 pm
by Artix
Part 32: Interdimensional Cracks (Part 2)

It's part 2 of this riveting saga as Xelha bounces from island to island. These are technically different boss fights and don't you forget it.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:42 am
by Kibayasu
I'm not sure I want to know what Mizuti means by "great hunger" immediately after being freed from dimensional jail.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:42 pm
by Artix
Part 33: Interdimensional Cracks (Part 3)

We've got the gang back together, so it's time to formulate a new plan to tackle Melodia and Kalas. Said new plan is...well, it isn't very new.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:32 am
by Kibayasu
I'm starting to notice that Xelha's voice actor sounds incredibly patronizing whenever she talks to anyone in the party. There's a very different tone of voice when she talks to NPCs.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:21 pm
by Artix
Part 34: The Ice Cliffs of Gomeisa

We're off to Wazn to investigate this mysterious Ice Queen. Surely, *this* is the time that chasing a wild legend of the past will turn out to work in our favor, right?

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:55 am
by Kibayasu
They must have been talking about another queen that wasn't Xelha because when she left at level 1 that wasn't very powerful at all!

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:47 am
by LPFinale
...you know what, I think I can get behind the whole "This magical ruler of a lost kingdom may be able to help" plot point getting turned aside not by some weird vow to not interfere in the workings of the world, but by the myths being a bit overblown and it turning out we had said ruler in our party the entire time.

I do wonder if her ability to cast all elements of magic is particularly unique at all, considering we haven't really seen or fought any other mages besides The Great Mizuti, and we all know The Great Mizuti is able to wield all of them just because they're so great and mighty.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:39 am
by Artix
Part 35: Cursa, the Snowy City

Cursa is an extremely pretty town with an absolutely incredible boss. The best designed encounter you'll ever see.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:03 am
by Kibayasu
I'll never complain about a video game fight being random ever again.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:30 pm
by Thesaya
Just go to Jukkasjärvi and you can see what it feels like to sleep on ice!

https://www.icehotel.com
(If you have a stupid amount of money lying around that is.)

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:25 am
by Artix
Part 36: Kaffaljidhma, Castle of Ice

You might think that now that we have the Ocean Mirror, we're ready to go fight Kalas and Melodia, but oh no my friend, you foolishly skipped over the most important part of this whole sequence. See, just because we're the rightful queen of Wazn and we have a world-ending artifact on our hands doesn't mean we can just waltz out of here on our big new dragon. No, you're going to have to earn that dragon, in the dumbest way possible.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:48 am
by Kibayasu
That dragon better have something kick ass hidden under its wings because riding around exposed on its back does not seem like a step up from a luxury interior. Maybe it could pull the other ship around.

Still rooting for killing Kalas.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:12 am
by Artix
No update tomorrow, due to some scheduling issues. We'll be back Friday as normal. In the meantime, have you heard the good word of Trails of Cold Steel IV? It is...an experience.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:17 pm
by Admiral H. Curtiss
Yeah that's... an accurate description of that game.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:21 pm
by Espella
Oh no what did they do to Trails of Cold Steel IV? Haven't quite caught up on the Cold Steel games because I decided to wait for the Crossbell fan translations from Geofront (which was probably not the best move in retrospect but I'm too committed now) but I've heard the localizations have been... not the best?

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:38 pm
by Admiral H. Curtiss
The localization isn't actually *that* big of a problem in my opinion, it has a bunch of classic NISA issues of broken textboxes and incorrect UI text as well as a small handful of legit term errors, but it reads pretty well and the VO is still good (though the recasting of Laura and Osborne really hurts me). I would assume -- or hope, at least -- most of this will be fixed with a patch.

But the game itself? CS1 already struggled to make its cast of around ten main characters remain relevant, imagine what CS4 does with quadruple of that. Pile on top of that a Rean harem that is worse than ever and some really dumb plot turns and you end up with mess that sometimes works surprisingly well but more often than not buckles under the weight of its 8 game legacy.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:33 am
by Artix
I'm only ~25 hours in (fairly early on in Act 2) so I can't speak to the back half of the game but so far it's displaying all those classic Falcom-isms, including "what the fuck is pacing, anyway", "more characters = better, right?", "okay so we're gonna do a plot twist here, anyone got anything? literally anything". If we hit "okay I know we just had a nice, poignant and thematically appropriate ending but what if we included 10 more hours of gameplay and another ending that doesn't make any sense but it's happier which automatically makes it better" then we'll have Falcom Bingo.

E: And to be clear when the game stays small, it's really good! The opening chunk of the game where you don't have Rean and are getting by with just new Class VII is fantastic, Juna especially. But she was already the best character in 3 so that's not saying anything new. :colbert:

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:59 am
by Weeble
The Fragments chapter was amazing.

So too is the Final chapter, which is all I'll say on that.

There's some bonkers overpowered accessories.

Rean and Co. would absolutely still consider Kalas a good friend who was merely a little misguided in claiming the power of an evil god.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:43 pm
by Artix
Since SA has now reached the Kalas reveal, a quick fun fact - you can actually immediately see that the Che End Magnus is missing immediately after the encounter with Melodia.

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Prior to leaving Anuenue, we have the End Magnus safely in our possession.

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After the encounter in Parnasse (this was taken in Detourne), it's missing.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:54 am
by The Flying Twybil
Ah, hell, I never noticed that. A lot of attention to detail there, I guess!

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:45 pm
by Bebere
Aaah Wazn...home of one of the most annoying photos to get (the Ice Goddess's). That game is nice but damn if it doesn't require a guide sometimes.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:12 pm
by Artix
Part 37: Mintaka Imperial Fortress Redux

Armed with our dragon and the Ocean Mirror, it's time to take the fight back to Kalas and Melodia...sort of. Once we save the townsfolk from the inconvenience of walking 40 feet outside of town, anyway.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:11 am
by Kibayasu
lmao the one question they didn't give the player a chance to answer. "We're going to save Kalas right?" "Uhhh..." "Okay lets go!!"

Also I think that random soldier had better voice acting than all the main characters so far.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:33 pm
by Artix
Part 38: The Sanctum of Malpercio

Strap in, because this one's a big boy. Finally, we've accomplished our main objective: Stealing the Emperor's bath water.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:30 am
by NGDBSS
That climax was just a mess between the tin can voice filter and the wooden stage directions. The voice actors were clearly trying their hardest but couldn't carry the scene by themselves. At least we'll get to see what in the world is going on with Mizuti? :confuoot:

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:52 am
by LPFinale
Melodia: "I'm doing this because Malpercio wants to be reborn."

Me: "Okay, but why would you want to let him be reborn?"

Melodia: "Ages ago, humanity destroyed him-"

Me: "Nnnnnnnnno, I'm pretty sure they said he tried to swallow the ocean and drowned."

Melodia: "..."

Me: "Also that didn't answer my question. At all. Why do you care about doing any of this?!"

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:45 am
by Kibayasu
Evil is as evil does.

What a wreck.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:04 pm
by Artix
Part 39: A Moment of Respite

So we got Kalas back, at the cost of our mirror. Now what? Well, we do have one more lead to work with, although getting there is...a little suspect, let's say.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:37 am
by Kibayasu
Kalas was a secret child of destiny, Xelha was a secret queen, Savyna was a secret war criminal, Lyude is basically a fascist collaborator, Great Mizuti is from secret civilization, Gibari is... good with oars?

It is kind of amazing how consistently bad everyone is at planning anything unless they're doing something evil.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:17 pm
by LPFinale
Kibayasu wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:37 am
Kalas was a secret child of destiny, Xelha was a secret queen, Savyna was a secret war criminal, Lyude is basically a fascist collaborator, Great Mizuti is from secret civilization, Gibari is... good with oars?
Gibari is a secret-but-not-very-secret former knight, which is pretty damn easy to forget since that was all the way back when we first stormed the castle to save King Ladekahn.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:22 am
by Kibayasu
Oh yeah, but even that is well on the scale of "normal" just convenient.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:46 pm
by Artix
Part 40: The Labyrinth of Duhr

The labyrinth is a lot less intimidating than it seems, aside from the starting area, there's only a couple splits and they all dead end very quickly. There isn't even a boss!


Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:50 am
by Weeble
I can't think of any other games than this and FF8 that use this kind of maze gimmick.

It's a weird one, for sure.

Re: What Does God Need With a Magnus? Let's Play Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean [VLP]

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:31 am
by Kibayasu
I was going to get extremely annoyed at having a maze with a fixed camera angle behind the player and right angles and extremely similar textures everywhere but then I saw that map and yeah that's basically a straight line as far as RPG mazes go.